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Keep The Gullible Simmering For Another Week.; The "we'll put right" merchants.....
Topic Started: Jan 8 2006, 12:48 AM (666 Views)
david_kelly
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Coming next week, in the Birmingham Mail - might be one night or it might be all of them!

We shall no doubt see one of our highly paid merceneries pledging to bury the memory of today's performance and to "put it right" against Charlton. For almost 2 years now, this tripe in our local paper has succeeded in keeping the vast majority of Noses either pro-Bruce or "opinion neutral".

If it is a good week, we'll see the Eric Black "exclusive" on what a "breath of fresh air" Chris Sutton has been and how he can see in training why he was so popular playing for those "fantastic Bhoys" up in Glasgow.

DON'T BOTHER! WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!

"Second string" today's outfit might have been, it does not however disprove the now evident truth that there has been (and remains) the stench of incompetence, poor attitude, and generally "couldn't give a monkeys" at our beloved club.

What was on show today was team bereft of coaching and fighting spirit. We have been "had over" so many times by our "committed" players and management that we should take NO MORE!

Blind faith taking precedence over the hard-headed cold logic of reality, admirable as it is, has featured greatly in this club's 130 plus year history. But there comes a time when the rank n' file support must wake up and smell the coffee.

THIS CLUB IS GOING NOWHERE WITH THIS SQUAD AND STEVE BRUCE AS THEIR MANAGER.

As others have said, our gratitude for the first 2 & 1/2+ years is in the bank, but Steve has dined out on it for far too long and the well of gratitude is now well and truly dry.

I don't want to hear about him having had only £15m "netto" to spend - as has been planted in the local media by sympathetic local journalists, this club, or more to the point its owners have bank rolled some of the biggest footballing follies this club has ever witnessed. Past their best players, happy to bask in a last pay day are now, to put it mildly, extracting the urine. At least when we spent the TF largesse in the early eighties on players in a similar vein, some entertainment was forthcoming.

Our well-meaning board have lost sight of the objective reality that has taken us this far, instead they are seduced by Steve's mountain of medals, his two years in defence with us, and his friendly Geordie patter.

Today's call for his head at Plainmoor is only the start, I fear.

I hope it will not get ugly.

STEVE, PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL IT ROUND AND LET US FIND THE MAN WHO WILL TRIM THE FAT AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT SEASON.




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david_kelly
Jan 8 2006, 12:48 AM
Coming next week, in the Birmingham Mail - might be one night or it might be all of them!

We shall no doubt see one of our highly paid merceneries pledging to bury the memory of today's performance and to "put it right" against Charlton. For almost 2 years now, this tripe in our local paper has succeeded in keeping the vast majority of Noses either pro-Bruce or "opinion neutral".

If it is a good week, we'll see the Eric Black "exclusive" on what a "breath of fresh air" Chris Sutton has been and how he can see in training why he was so popular playing for those "fantastic Bhoys" up in Glasgow.

DON'T BOTHER! WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!

"Second string" today's outfit might have been, it does not however disprove the now evident truth that there has been (and remains) the stench of incompetence, poor attitude, and generally "couldn't give a monkeys" at our beloved club.

What was on show today was team bereft of coaching and fighting spirit. We have been "had over" so many times by our "committed" players and management that we should take NO MORE!

Blind faith taking precedence over the hard-headed cold logic of reality, admirable as it is, has featured greatly in this club's 130 plus year history. But there comes a time when the rank n' file support must wake up and smell the coffee.

THIS CLUB IS GOING NOWHERE WITH THIS SQUAD AND STEVE BRUCE AS THEIR MANAGER.

As others have said, our gratitude for the first 2 & 1/2+ years is in the bank, but Steve has dined out on it for far too long and the well of gratitude is now well and truly dry.

I don't want to hear about him having had only £15m "netto" to spend - as has been planted in the local media by sympathetic local journalists, this club, or more to the point its owners have bank rolled some of the biggest footballing follies this club has ever witnessed. Past their best players, happy to bask in a last pay day are now, to put it mildly, extracting the urine. At least when we spent the TF largesse in the early eighties on players in a similar vein, some entertainment was forthcoming.

Our well-meaning board have lost sight of the objective reality that has taken us this far, instead they are seduced by Steve's mountain of medals, his two years in defence with us, and his friendly Geordie patter.

Today's call for his head at Plainmoor is only the start, I fear.

I hope it will not get ugly.

STEVE, PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL IT ROUND AND LET US FIND THE MAN WHO WILL TRIM THE FAT AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT SEASON.

Superb POST........""That's For Sure""

Watch out ....here come the Steve Bruce Fan Club.........in a Mini Van

And just behind is the Eric Black Fan Club........on a Moped
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Jan 8 2006, 12:48 AM
Coming next week, in the Birmingham Mail - might be one night or it might be all of them!

We shall no doubt see one of our highly paid merceneries pledging to bury the memory of today's performance and to "put it right" against Charlton. For almost 2 years now, this tripe in our local paper has succeeded in keeping the vast majority of Noses either pro-Bruce or "opinion neutral".

If it is a good week, we'll see the Eric Black "exclusive" on what a "breath of fresh air" Chris Sutton has been and how he can see in training why he was so popular playing for those "fantastic Bhoys" up in Glasgow.

DON'T BOTHER! WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!

"Second string" today's outfit might have been, it does not however disprove the now evident truth that there has been (and remains) the stench of incompetence, poor attitude, and generally "couldn't give a monkeys" at our beloved club.

What was on show today was team bereft of coaching and fighting spirit. We have been "had over" so many times by our "committed" players and management that we should take NO MORE!

Blind faith taking precedence over the hard-headed cold logic of reality, admirable as it is, has featured greatly in this club's 130 plus year history. But there comes a time when the rank n' file support must wake up and smell the coffee.

THIS CLUB IS GOING NOWHERE WITH THIS SQUAD AND STEVE BRUCE AS THEIR MANAGER.

As others have said, our gratitude for the first 2 & 1/2+ years is in the bank, but Steve has dined out on it for far too long and the well of gratitude is now well and truly dry.

I don't want to hear about him having had only £15m "netto" to spend - as has been planted in the local media by sympathetic local journalists, this club, or more to the point its owners have bank rolled some of the biggest footballing follies this club has ever witnessed. Past their best players, happy to bask in a last pay day are now, to put it mildly, extracting the urine. At least when we spent the TF largesse in the early eighties on players in a similar vein, some entertainment was forthcoming.

Our well-meaning board have lost sight of the objective reality that has taken us this far, instead they are seduced by Steve's mountain of medals, his two years in defence with us, and his friendly Geordie patter.

Today's call for his head at Plainmoor is only the start, I fear.

I hope it will not get ugly.

STEVE, PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL IT ROUND AND LET US FIND THE MAN WHO WILL TRIM THE FAT AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT SEASON.

Excellent post **thumbup

Although I and a lot of other 'noses give the Aston Mail a wide berth these days. Until it's journalists realise the meaning of the words "balanced reporting" and the Viler Lisa Smith (who has done more to encourage trouble between Blues and Vile fans than anyone in the past couple of seasons) is sacked, then I won't ever buy one again :angry:
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Welcome to the Forum David Kelly.....
That is an excellent first post and I trust you will stay around to follow it up....
We are short of logical and rational thinkers around here....
A couple of points though:
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david_kelly Posted on Jan 8 2006, 12:48 AM
"Second string" today's outfit might have been,
I can't really agree that the Team against Torquay was "second string".....
It actually contained all first Team players with the exception of Alex Bruce!

SB said yesterday that it was almost "one of those embarrassing afternoons"....
Well I PMSLOL....
Every time we play it is one of those embarrassing afternoons, evenings, days or whatever....
Embarrassing should be the exception....
Sadly it has now become the norm....

We actually do have the players to do the job....
What we don't have is strategy, game plan, direction....
That has been proven by us going in and apparently offering £6.5m for a player who was used as a £500k make weight for Clinton Morrison on who we lost £2m selling him back to the Club we bought him from....
Simon Jordan has made more money out of that transfer fiasco alone than he has from all the time he has spent at Crystal Palace!
And now the footballing world know that we have at least £6.5m available to spend on new players....
Good negotiating skills there guys!
If SB was running any Department within Sport Newspapers he would have been sacked two years ago!
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I've actually u-turned, I don't think Bruce should be sacked.

Why?

Will he turn it round? - probably not
Is he a good manager? - at a certain level, yes. But he has clearly failed spectacularly with the current squad
Is he the man to take us back up? probably not

The truth is (and I see its finally coming home to nest) that despite doing a good job initially, that the man is now completely out of his depth.

He has the most expensive squad in the clubs history, with the highest wages ever paid by the club - and for what? A few good performances against decent teams - then when the chips are down against a club we should be beating (and I mean that with respect, we should be beating Torquay) - the players look like they can't be bothered.

Each week we get subjected to the same "last puppy in the shop" look from Bruce, the hound-dog, the "I feel for the supporters, we'll put it right next week". But in truth we have got in to the habit of performing badly against all the teams around us.

Bruces transfers are coming back to haunt him, yes when we were promoted he couldn't do anything wrong: Savage, Dugarry, Upson all worked, we forgave the occasional Coly or Bak as the positives outweighed the negatives - but lately, its one disaster to another, one pedestrial injury prone forward to another. Employing your mate from Man U on massive wages and ignoring the talent from our youth team to play him.

Bruce is a lost man, he doesn't know where to turn or what to do. Tactics are a lost idea, his backroom staff don't appear competent.

So why not sack him?

Not because I don't want to see him go (I happen to think the guy is an idiot, a nice idiot, but an idiot all the same) - but because we've missed the chance

Bruce should have gone in 2005, we could have been moving on, but we missed the opportunity

So, we might as well stick with him - no doubt this message will be greeted with the "go back to Villa Park" and the usual dross thrown in the direction that dare not toe the club line, but more are seeing the truth. Bruce is a liability

Our best manager? He might have been, if he had the ability to build on his first 2 years at the club then perhaps. Sadly he has taken all the money the club has and spent it. we will struggle to recoup it if we are relegated and I fear for the financial situation of the club.

Apathy rules at St Andrews, from the directors bizarelly saying he wiouldn't be sacked "no matter what" to supporters who have sat in stunned silence watching the disintegration. The reason I think he should stay now is because we have just as guilty, we saw the warning signs and we should have been more voiciferous and had him removed. But as supporters we're watched it happen and can't really complain.

I've seen the posts "he got us in to this, he will get us out", "I think we'll finish on 54 points" (posted in December!), "it took Allardyce 10 years at bolton" (when he has only been there 6) - they go on and on, we've stood and watched Steve Bruce tear Blues apart

We are to blame.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, clearly when I posted that the signs were there after the Middlesbrough game I was called "knee-jerk" - I ask the Bruce fans now, was I that wrong then?
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And just behind is the Eric Black Fan Club........on a Moped

Eric Black has a fan club :o :blink:
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Jan 8 2006, 12:48 PM
I've actually u-turned, I don't think Bruce should be sacked.

Why?

Will he turn it round? - probably not
Is he a good manager? - at a certain level, yes. But he has clearly failed spectacularly with the current squad
Is he the man to take us back up? probably not

The truth is (and I see its finally coming home to nest) that despite doing a good job initially, that the man is now completely out of his depth.

He has the most expensive squad in the clubs history, with the highest wages ever paid by the club - and for what? A few good performances against decent teams - then when the chips are down against a club we should be beating (and I mean that with respect, we should be beating Torquay) - the players look like they can't be bothered.

Each week we get subjected to the same "last puppy in the shop" look from Bruce, the hound-dog, the "I feel for the supporters, we'll put it right next week". But in truth we have got in to the habit of performing badly against all the teams around us.

Bruces transfers are coming back to haunt him, yes when we were promoted he couldn't do anything wrong: Savage, Dugarry, Upson all worked, we forgave the occasional Coly or Bak as the positives outweighed the negatives - but lately, its one disaster to another, one pedestrial injury prone forward to another. Employing your mate from Man U on massive wages and ignoring the talent from our youth team to play him.

Bruce is a lost man, he doesn't know where to turn or what to do. Tactics are a lost idea, his backroom staff don't appear competent.

So why not sack him?

Not because I don't want to see him go (I happen to think the guy is an idiot, a nice idiot, but an idiot all the same) - but because we've missed the chance

Bruce should have gone in 2005, we could have been moving on, but we missed the opportunity

So, we might as well stick with him - no doubt this message will be greeted with the "go back to Villa Park" and the usual dross thrown in the direction that dare not toe the club line, but more are seeing the truth. Bruce is a liability

Our best manager? He might have been, if he had the ability to build on his first 2 years at the club then perhaps. Sadly he has taken all the money the club has and spent it. we will struggle to recoup it if we are relegated and I fear for the financial situation of the club.

Apathy rules at St Andrews, from the directors bizarelly saying he wiouldn't be sacked "no matter what" to supporters who have sat in stunned silence watching the disintegration. The reason I think he should stay now is because we have just as guilty, we saw the warning signs and we should have been more voiciferous and had him removed. But as supporters we're watched it happen and can't really complain.

I've seen the posts "he got us in to this, he will get us out", "I think we'll finish on 54 points" (posted in December!), "it took Allardyce 10 years at bolton" (when he has only been there 6) - they go on and on, we've stood and watched Steve Bruce tear Blues apart

We are to blame.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, clearly when I posted that the signs were there after the Middlesbrough game I was called "knee-jerk" - I ask the Bruce fans now, was I that wrong then?

top post and 100% spot on. **thumbup
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david_kelly
Jan 8 2006, 12:48 AM
Coming next week, in the Birmingham Mail - might be one night or it might be all of them!

We shall no doubt see one of our highly paid merceneries pledging to bury the memory of today's performance and to "put it right" against Charlton. For almost 2 years now, this tripe in our local paper has succeeded in keeping the vast majority of Noses either pro-Bruce or "opinion neutral".

If it is a good week, we'll see the Eric Black "exclusive" on what a "breath of fresh air" Chris Sutton has been and how he can see in training why he was so popular playing for those "fantastic Bhoys" up in Glasgow.

DON'T BOTHER! WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!

"Second string" today's outfit might have been, it does not however disprove the now evident truth that there has been (and remains) the stench of incompetence, poor attitude, and generally "couldn't give a monkeys" at our beloved club.

What was on show today was team bereft of coaching and fighting spirit. We have been "had over" so many times by our "committed" players and management that we should take NO MORE!

Blind faith taking precedence over the hard-headed cold logic of reality, admirable as it is, has featured greatly in this club's 130 plus year history. But there comes a time when the rank n' file support must wake up and smell the coffee.

THIS CLUB IS GOING NOWHERE WITH THIS SQUAD AND STEVE BRUCE AS THEIR MANAGER.

As others have said, our gratitude for the first 2 & 1/2+ years is in the bank, but Steve has dined out on it for far too long and the well of gratitude is now well and truly dry.

I don't want to hear about him having had only £15m "netto" to spend - as has been planted in the local media by sympathetic local journalists, this club, or more to the point its owners have bank rolled some of the biggest footballing follies this club has ever witnessed. Past their best players, happy to bask in a last pay day are now, to put it mildly, extracting the urine. At least when we spent the TF largesse in the early eighties on players in a similar vein, some entertainment was forthcoming.

Our well-meaning board have lost sight of the objective reality that has taken us this far, instead they are seduced by Steve's mountain of medals, his two years in defence with us, and his friendly Geordie patter.

Today's call for his head at Plainmoor is only the start, I fear.

I hope it will not get ugly.

STEVE, PLEASE REALISE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL IT ROUND AND LET US FIND THE MAN WHO WILL TRIM THE FAT AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT SEASON.

Welcome to the board. An excellent first post, and one with which I entirely agree.

There is this myth that is perpetrated by the pro-Bruce brigade - that there isn't a better manager available, so we should stick with him.

It is an odd logic that says that somewhere in this big, wonderfull world of football we cannot find someone to turn 'the best squad Blues have ever had' into a side capable of winning more than two games at home, so we should continue with the man who is taking us towards certain relegation.

My own logic is that anyone, but anyone, is worth a chance. When you have a manager with a record as poor as Steve Bruce over the past two years, you would have to be incredibly unlucky to find another manager with such poor skills.

And if we happened to choose a proven Premiership manager, like Ranieri, O'Neil or George Graham, or even re-employ Mark Bowen as our number one, there is a good chance that we would see the last of hoofball and negativity that has become typical of Bruce's 'tactics'.

Who knows we might even prove that there is a better man available. I doubt now there is anyone much worse.
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i'd like to see an experienced manager come in next time....no offence but if we are to replace Steve Bruce, and personally i can't see that happening this season...but i'd like to see a manager who's won something come in with Premiership experience. I can't think of anyone......that's free.
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Anyone who been reading my post recently would know how much I want/wanted Brucie out, but given some decent managers are no longer available and given some good performances in the last fortnight.

I personally have reached a point where I want him to stay until the end of the season. Then i can see a huge clearout will be needed regardless of what division we're in.

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Frankly i find that the last two posts make the most sense. Yes SB seems to be having problems and most have been aptly pointed out by david kelly.

However, its all well and good to dismiss the issue of replacing SB in one sentence but is there seriously anyone out there who could come in now and make a difference??

I like the idea of Ranieri although I doubt he'd be interested. George Graham is a definite no-no. Martin O'Neill would be a great shout but i'm pretty sure he's ruled out coming back to football management while his wife is ill.

However, there is still one major difficulty

I just don't see how at this stage of the season we could bring in a manager experienced enough and able to turn the team around without the benefit of s period of grace to determine his best team and formation. Thats time that we just don't have.

If we go down to the Championship, I see no harm in taking on a reputable Championship manager who could get us back up, and if we stay up i'd have no problem in SB getting the sack and bringing in someone else. But a change in manager at this stage could do more harm than good to our relegation battle - which is far from over

By the way Clyde are beating Celtic. Nuneaton held Middlesbrough. We drew with Trquay, away from home. get over it. Yes it was poor but it has not brought us any closer to relegation.
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Jan 8 2006, 12:48 PM
I've actually u-turned, I don't think Bruce should be sacked.

Why?

Will he turn it round? - probably not
Is he a good manager? - at a certain level, yes. But he has clearly failed spectacularly with the current squad
Is he the man to take us back up? probably not

The truth is (and I see its finally coming home to nest) that despite doing a good job initially, that the man is now completely out of his depth.

He has the most expensive squad in the clubs history, with the highest wages ever paid by the club - and for what? A few good performances against decent teams - then when the chips are down against a club we should be beating (and I mean that with respect, we should be beating Torquay) - the players look like they can't be bothered.

Each week we get subjected to the same "last puppy in the shop" look from Bruce, the hound-dog, the "I feel for the supporters, we'll put it right next week". But in truth we have got in to the habit of performing badly against all the teams around us.

Bruces transfers are coming back to haunt him, yes when we were promoted he couldn't do anything wrong: Savage, Dugarry, Upson all worked, we forgave the occasional Coly or Bak as the positives outweighed the negatives - but lately, its one disaster to another, one pedestrial injury prone forward to another. Employing your mate from Man U on massive wages and ignoring the talent from our youth team to play him.

Bruce is a lost man, he doesn't know where to turn or what to do. Tactics are a lost idea, his backroom staff don't appear competent.

So why not sack him?

Not because I don't want to see him go (I happen to think the guy is an idiot, a nice idiot, but an idiot all the same) - but because we've missed the chance

Bruce should have gone in 2005, we could have been moving on, but we missed the opportunity

So, we might as well stick with him - no doubt this message will be greeted with the "go back to Villa Park" and the usual dross thrown in the direction that dare not toe the club line, but more are seeing the truth. Bruce is a liability

Our best manager? He might have been, if he had the ability to build on his first 2 years at the club then perhaps. Sadly he has taken all the money the club has and spent it. we will struggle to recoup it if we are relegated and I fear for the financial situation of the club.

Apathy rules at St Andrews, from the directors bizarelly saying he wiouldn't be sacked "no matter what" to supporters who have sat in stunned silence watching the disintegration. The reason I think he should stay now is because we have just as guilty, we saw the warning signs and we should have been more voiciferous and had him removed. But as supporters we're watched it happen and can't really complain.

I've seen the posts "he got us in to this, he will get us out", "I think we'll finish on 54 points" (posted in December!), "it took Allardyce 10 years at bolton" (when he has only been there 6) - they go on and on, we've stood and watched Steve Bruce tear Blues apart

We are to blame.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, clearly when I posted that the signs were there after the Middlesbrough game I was called "knee-jerk" - I ask the Bruce fans now, was I that wrong then?

Agree with that to an extent But, how could they sack him? hes such a nice bloke!!

I think hes young and learning all the time, lets stick with him, if he can sort out the tactics side of his style and keep his enthusiasm then we will have a great manager.

I like Brucie, always have, always will.
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It doesn't have to be a big name manager.
It doesn't have to be an ex-premiership manager.

A competent, proffessional. One adept in coaching, organising and motivating.

A "holding" manager who might even give us a fighting chance of survival, even with this expensive squad.

Steve isn't going to do it, he is as surprised as we are at every other performance; so if he can be surprised, it shows how little he has learnt and how little he has changed things.

I would go toward someone like Dario Gradi, with a younger tracksuit coach alongside. But there are many, quiet, competent people with ability out there, not just Gradi.

;)

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Jan 8 2006, 02:27 PM
It doesn't have to be a big name manager.
It doesn't have to be an ex-premiership manager.

A competent, proffessional. One adept in coaching, organising and motivating.

A "holding" manager who might even give us a fighting chance of survival, even with this expensive squad.

Steve isn't going to do it, he is as surprised as we are at every other performance; so if he can be surprised, it shows how little he has learnt and how little he has changed things.

I would go toward someone like Dario Gradi, with a younger tracksuit coach alongside. But there are many, quiet, competent people with ability out there, not just Gradi.

;)

As you rightly put it midland red, if SB gets the sack now we will need a holding manager. Dario Gradi is the least likely candidate for that kind of position. The man eats, sleeps and breathes crewe alex. I can't see any reason why he'd fancy leaving the cluv he has served for years for a 5 month contract with blues.

THIS IS THE BIG PROBLEM. If we sack SB now and get a holding manager, I hate to tell you but there are only certain managers who take these positions and we know the likes of them all. El Tel, Trevor Brooking etc.

If we are going to contemplate making a beneficial manager change, it should only take place at the end of the season when everything can be assessed. If that means being down in the Championship then I would rather have a manager in place with that in mind rather than someone to come in now and do a half hearted stint with the club who if they go down can blame it all on the previous manager.
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The question has to be really asked where this club wishes to be????

The level of investment over the past four years in the playing side has been minimal. So on that basis achieving a position high up the table would require a shrewd manager who is able to scour the likes of the Scandanvian market, bring in talent from the lower leagues or pull off the occasional transfer coup with the likes of "Dugarry", and mould a team ethic similar to Bolton or Charlton.....

IMO Steve Bruce is not in the same mould as an Allardyce or Curbishley. His buying policy is totally different. We seem to be going down the dangerous road now of buying players that have already "achieved" things within the game at bigger clubs. While these players might well be proven and should be good enough, they find themselves playing in a side thats operating with Championship level coaches, using Championship level tactics.......

If the board wishes to keep the same investment for the forseeable future, they would be better off spending their money in employing people to scour both Europe and here at home for great coaches and perhaps the possibility of finding that "shrewd" manager that can work within the clubs financial budgets and at the same time has a good track record.

If SB keeps us up and i believe he can, i will be one of the first to praise him on turning our season around. However i have seen enough over the past two seasons to realise that with him in remaining in charge and his coaching staff let loose on our players, at best we will always never be too far from a relegation battle or stuck in the middle of one season after season.
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Jan 8 2006, 02:58 PM
A "holding" manager who might even give us a fighting chance of survival

The only one who fits the bill is George Graham. I doubt he'd pick the likes of Butt and Gray week in week out :angry:
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Jan 8 2006, 02:04 PM
By the way Clyde are beating Celtic. Nuneaton held Middlesbrough. We drew with Trquay, away from home. get over it. Yes it was poor but it has not brought us any closer to relegation.

I think that is the most important point. Given the position we are in, avoiding
relegation is the only thing that really matters this year. If we are not
completely up for it for an FA cup tie, it is worrying, but I reserve judgment for the league fixtures.

Having said that, I like the dissection of the Evening Mail, David Kelly!
It rang very very true :lol: :lol:
Ever considered a job in journalism
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Jan 8 2006, 06:59 AM
And just behind is the Eric Black Fan Club........on a Moped

Eric Black has a fan club :o :blink:

Yes, it meets once a week in the phonebox outside the ground ;)
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I honestly think that Goerge Burley could have been an option. yes he made mistakes at Ipswich, but he apperaed to have learned from them, something Steve is unable/unwilling to do. There always has/will be a certain breed of boozed-up armchair fan who always knows more than the manager, no matter how well they are doing. However, that does not change the fact that many of us on these baords, who go to games regularly, can see, and have seen for a while, that there are certain fundamental flaws down at St Andys:

1) We have never scored enough goals - even when Forse was scoring.

2) Our midfield has been unbalanced on far too many occassions - far too defensive, and leading to point 1), due to the fact that there is nobody to create on the ball.

3) KC was a great player for us, but has been struggling for a while now - replacement?!?

4) EVERY season we appear to go in nuder-prepared and under strength, and 'hope' that our best players are available.

5) When many of our better players are avaialble, they are still unable to get into the team because Bruce has too many favourites.

6) Too many of these players are favourites because they are 'good lads, work hard, have played all over the park for me' etc. - clearly Steve has never heard of the 'Jack of all trades...' maxim

7) A staggering lack of invention during our transfer dealings. Steve has gone from making big, bold signings - Sav, Dugs, Upson - to wallowing in mediocrity; Euell (attempted), Butt etc.

8) A mindblowing inability to do anything other than 'play ugly.' Every time our lack of quality is exposed, Steve resolves to solve this by purging more quality from the team, plying Clapham or Tebily in midfield and resorting to Sunday league tactics.

9)An inability to learn from mistakes - the same old tired line-ups/excuses week in, week-out. Ironically, we have played our best football when Steve's hand has been forced; when he has had to play Izzet and Kilkenny together in the middle together etc. This shows that we DO have a decent enough squad here; but it is not being utilised.


I once thought Steve Bruce was a real bright young hope as a manager. However, he is fast becoming the new Peter Reid/Gary Megson - shown up as lacking in tactics, and retreating into one-dimensional hoof ball. IF - and it is a massive if, in this case - Steve at least tried to use a more attacking formation for a while and it failed, I would hold my hands up. The problem is, he is not even remotely prepared to risk this, depsite the fact our performances could not conceivably be any WORSE than they already are. For f**ks sake, we went to Torquay and played Butt alongside Johnson in the middle - i bet half of the reserves/kids would have played with more fight. My heart snak when I heard the team.

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I honestly think that Goerge Burley could have been an option. yes he made mistakes at Ipswich, but he apperaed to have learned from them, something Steve is unable/unwilling to do. There always has/will be a certain breed of boozed-up armchair fan who always knows more than the manager, no matter how well they are doing. However, that does not change the fact that many of us on these baords, who go to games regularly, can see, and have seen for a while, that there are certain fundamental flaws down at St Andys:

1) We have never scored enough goals - even when Forse was scoring.

2) Our midfield has been unbalanced on far too many occassions - far too defensive, and leading to point 1), due to the fact that there is nobody to create on the ball.

3) KC was a great player for us, but has been struggling for a while now - replacement?!?

4) EVERY season we appear to go in nuder-prepared and under strength, and 'hope' that our best players are available.

5) When many of our better players are avaialble, they are still unable to get into the team because Bruce has too many favourites.

6) Too many of these players are favourites because they are 'good lads, work hard, have played all over the park for me' etc. - clearly Steve has never heard of the 'Jack of all trades...' maxim

7) A staggering lack of invention during our transfer dealings. Steve has gone from making big, bold signings - Sav, Dugs, Upson - to wallowing in mediocrity; Euell (attempted), Butt etc.

8) A mindblowing inability to do anything other than 'play ugly.' Every time our lack of quality is exposed, Steve resolves to solve this by purging more quality from the team, plying Clapham or Tebily in midfield and resorting to Sunday league tactics.

9)An inability to learn from mistakes - the same old tired line-ups/excuses week in, week-out. Ironically, we have played our best football when Steve's hand has been forced; when he has had to play Izzet and Kilkenny together in the middle together etc. This shows that we DO have a decent enough squad here; but it is not being utilised.


I once thought Steve Bruce was a real bright young hope as a manager. However, he is fast becoming the new Peter Reid/Gary Megson - shown up as lacking in tactics, and retreating into one-dimensional hoof ball. IF - and it is a massive if, in this case - Steve at least tried to use a more attacking formation for a while and it failed, I would hold my hands up. The problem is, he is not even remotely prepared to risk this, depsite the fact our performances could not conceivably be any WORSE than they already are. For f**ks sake, we went to Torquay and played Butt alongside Johnson in the middle - i bet half of the reserves/kids would have played with more fight. My heart snak when I heard the team.

Good post **thumbup
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